you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

topic posted Fri, October 22, 2004 - 12:03 PM by  MADMARK ™
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IMMIGRANTS,
NOT AMERICANS,
MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11,
we have experienced a surge
in patriotism by the majority
of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had
barely settled when the "politically correct! ! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there
are a few things that those
who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a
multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our
own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.


We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part
of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or
you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move
to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have
no desire to change, and we really
don't ! care how you did things where
you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY,
our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the
right to express! his opi nion and we
will allow you every opportunity! to do
so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
our pledge, our national motto, or our
way of life, I highly encourage you
take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
posted by:
MADMARK ™
Atlanta
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    Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

    Fri, October 22, 2004 - 1:28 PM
    you must have missed the part where our lovely constitution stated there must be a separation of church and state.
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      Fri, October 22, 2004 - 2:51 PM
      One of the freedoms I hold most dear, is the right to dissent in public and not to be arrested for it. Therefore, I disagree with both of you.
      I think the beauty of American culture is the amount that it borrows from other cultures. American culture is a mixed pot, a blend of things from elsewhere, that's what I consider the most unique.
      And the phrase "separation of church and state" is not found in the Constitution, it's in the Federalist Letters, a series of correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, I believe, sombody correct me on this.
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        Fri, October 22, 2004 - 4:11 PM
        You are correct on the idea of the separation of church and state residing in the letters of Jefferson. I think many confuse the wording of the first amendment to the constitution with the concept of separation of church and state.

        With regard to the first post, it seems remarkably short-sighted and simplistic to say on the one hand that Americans as a whole share a "culture" and on the other to say that multiculturalism is a threat to that culture. If there actually was an over-arching, homogeneous culture of America (which I, for one, do not believe there is) then it could only be a result of the multiple world cultures that have contributed to it--and not just that of the white anglo-saxon protestant male.
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        Fri, October 22, 2004 - 4:38 PM
        the bill of rights, which of course is, specifically 10 amendments from the constitution:

        congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

        the very first words you see...

        basically there will always be a difference of opinion as to how you take such a statement because there isn't a specific positive of what you CAN do in regards to laws and religion.
        • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

          Fri, October 22, 2004 - 5:32 PM
          >>IMMIGRANTS,
          NOT AMERICANS,
          MUST ADAPT
          blah blah blah...

          hmm...

          and America claims to be better than the fundamentalist Islamic states.

          take your god and shove it up your ass.

          what is the basis for the position here? "we were here first?" - well, I don't think I have to indicate to anyone that this is not the case. if America intends to survive this century intact, it needs to take it's collective head out of it's ass and drop shit like this.

          I'm inclined to bleieve the original post was a joke.
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    Fri, October 22, 2004 - 5:41 PM
    who are you writing against and who does the us include? are english, christianity and uncle sam really that which makes up america? and who, out of immigrants, are you drawing the line to separate, while you keep using the terms us and you?

    >This idea of America being a multicultural community
    >has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national >identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our
    >own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This >culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, >and victories by millions of men and women who have sought >freedom.

    so after centuries of struggles and trials and tribulations of these millions of men and women, is that the end? now, the country as it stands today is and will be what american culture and life is? america is an everchanging place and the face of america will continue to change with time. there will be immigrants whose different cultures and beliefs will add to the diversity of what makes up "american culture". these people will have somewhere to return to, as immigrants to this country, if they do not like it here. unfortunately, if you are so defined as an american, if the state of the country here changes to where you do not like it anymore, you will have nowhere to emigrate to. you will be left wanting more and more of your fellow citizens to leave or adopt your views.

    >But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about >our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I >highly encourage you take advantage of one other great >American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

    so now, if you are done complaining, whining and griping about immigrants and people who do not share your skewed beliefs of what america is, think about the fact that immigrants are going to continue to come to america and will definitely change america and will probably change it in ways that you cannot tolerate. what singular culture here is the one that you find to be most american? different cultures exist that are vastly different from each other exist here in america apart from recent immigrants. you are speaking for a lot of people, a lot of your country's citizens, and i can say for myself that i do not want to become any part of "your" society.
  • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

    Fri, October 22, 2004 - 10:39 PM
    Posted on another tribe of some of my thoughts, but....
    If it wasn't for Europeans who claimed the new world after stealing, killing, raping and plundering from the native American Indians...
    We would not have evolved to speaking a bastardized form of English...

    I am also part American Indian...
    Will the real American please stand up...
    Oops, sorry most of us have been killed off by the white immigrant foreigners.....
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      Fri, October 22, 2004 - 10:41 PM
      well, see if you want to get all technical and stuff, see mongolia.

      also, while you're at it, see the kennewick man.
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        Fri, October 22, 2004 - 11:02 PM
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          Fri, October 22, 2004 - 11:10 PM
          ...

          what am i looking for?
          • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

            Sat, October 23, 2004 - 12:56 AM
            just another set of responses.
            • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

              Sat, October 23, 2004 - 11:25 AM
              Anybody notice that while MadMark decided that his screed on jingoism and xenophobia was important enough to cross-post on two tribes that contain similar memberships, he (she,it) was not interested enough in what other people had to say to post a follow-up statement defending his (her,their) position?

              I think MadMark is an alt or a troll.

              I have read MadMark's profile and think that it's all a little too Southern-rebel-got-a-confederate-flag-and-a-gun-rack-on-my-truck to be a real person.
              Or maybe not.
              Maybe I am so insulated from that kind of narrow-minded thinking that I refuse to believe that a real human being could actually think, talk, and post like that.
              But, hey, it's the Internet, so it has to be true, right?
              • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

                Sat, October 23, 2004 - 12:00 PM
                From MadMark:

                >>a joke in the form of an email sent to probably way too many people... ..........................right you are...give ya something to talk about.........

                I think perhaps it was to provoke knee-jerk reactions - which I have to admit to as well, until I thought about it.
              • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

                Sat, October 23, 2004 - 4:17 PM
                <<Maybe I am so insulated from that kind of narrow-minded thinking that I refuse to believe that a real human being could actually think, talk, and post like that. >>

                Oh my dear. You are indeed insulated. I used to hitchhike a great deal across this wonderfully mutli-cultural country of ours, beatifully rich in it's opposing views of how this America should be run, lived, played and apprecitated, but some of my scariest experiences came not at the hands of a potential serial killer, no it came at the witnessing of some of the most xenophobic rantings it has been this writers experience to report. I was offended. My knee jerk reaction was assume the defensive postion and counter, but I thought about the words I was listening too and they were just as much a part of our culture, a culture of individual freedoms, as any other set of outlandish and offensive thoughts.

                So yes, sweet Virginia(Aymless), there are some very scary thoughts running around in people's minds and sometimes they will speak them(or spew them, depending on your position), but they are free to do so, as are you free to disagree with them and think your thoughts.
                • Re: you dont like it here,get the fuck out!!!!

                  Sat, October 23, 2004 - 5:54 PM
                  whether Madmark was fishing for reactions (which he in fact got!) or was serious in his reposting of what looks like a right-wing spam, people DO believe this crap, and it IS scary.

                  they're not gonna come with jackboots, they're gonna come with slick PR and plastic smiles. it CAN happen here.

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