anyone quit or getting ready to smoking in here?

topic posted Sat, May 7, 2005 - 12:34 AM by 
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im quitting again myself next week.

this is kind of off subject and kind of not. quitting is never just about quitting and its kinda good to have other progressive and radical quitters around you if that's what you are and what you're doing....

so

i wanted to tell anyone on the quit smoking continuum about this board im on thats a great place to go for quitting but doesn't focus soley on quitting. has a variety of folks in there talking about all kinds of stuff. there's a room that's specifically for social/political kinds of things...

check it out
p207.ezboard.com/btheemptyroom

to post you have to join ezboard which is free and not hard. you don't get the kind of profile you get in here but its easy to post pictures and stuff in the threads and there's chat too.

anyway, not to detract from the stuff in here....
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  • oh yeah. im kind of a lurker in here. uh, sorry? kind of a cool place for my lurking actually.
    • it is a fucked up addiction. but not impossible to quit.

      im gonna smoke my last friday night or in the wee hours of saturday. :)

      the only thing that keeps smokers smoking is fear. fear of withdrawl and fear of being unhappy with out cigarettes. neither fears are necessary. so it turns out that that fear itself is created by the addiction.

      i hope you quit. i hope we all quit.
      • Interestingly, there is more to ciggarette smoking or at least there was before my ancestral Native American kin where annihilated, assimilated, and enslaved by the Europeans. I personally am not 100% Native American, but have always embraced this huge part of my heritage and my shamanic knowledge of my people. If I were to rejoin my tribe right now, I would be a shamanic apprentice girl, or even a shamanic huntress, but I have not yet ventured to do so.

        CIggarettes where origininally used to ground people spiritually. If somebody was either going on a vision quest, or a spiritual journey,(perhaps to the land of the lost warriors, where they hunt eternally other spirits who have shown themselves eternal fair game and challenge) any other spiritual realm, and got lost and even toyed with, mislead or tricked by a spirit while there or their spirit as a person is flighty itself, tobacco was given to those people to keep their spirit grounded on this earth, also called Great Mother. It's true that nicotine and ciggarettes are also extremely addictive, but personally, that is the reason why I continue to smoke, not because I'm afraid of the withdrawls, though I know they will be harsh. I have a rather flighty spirit, potent, wonderful, old, but flighty. The way tobacco is used however by the government now and how much tobacco steals and how they run as corporations are all many reasons why I don't like what has happened to what was once a spiritual practice. I personally continue to smoke because sometimes I need grounding, still actually enjoy it, and am not ready to quit, but am well aware of the political puppet strings attached to the addiction and habit.
      • actually, thanks for pointing that out.

        and i find your view interesting. i have a native american friend who has a different view about his smoking. he doesn't see his own smoking at all as an addiction, but rather like regular prayer or ritual.

        i sort of hesitate at that because i suppose for someone addicted to nicotine it could become a convenient excuse, but stronger with me is the desire to be respectful towards him and his beliefs. so i don't say anything. and when he has rolled me a cigarette in the past from his stash of tobacco that he grows for himself, i thank whatever forces he requests me to thank before i smoke it and i do so as earnestly as i can.

        the times that i have quit i have always felt funny about telling him cuase he would sort of take a bit of insult. this time i have told him that it might be spiritual for him but for me it is only addiction so i must quit. that seemed to do the trick. anyway its honest at least.

        i haven't heard this mixture of spiritual and addiction before.

        i agree with you about the massive distortion and robbery on the part of the tobacco industry and the government too.

        anyway, thanks for the response.
        • I quit smoking without really intending to quit. At $5 U.S. per pack, I can't afford cigarettes any more, so I stopped smoking them. Addiction itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but IMHO, nicotine is a bad thing to be addicted to due to its potential adverse effects on the health of the smoker. I'd personally like to see all drugs made legal and available to adults. Let the individual choose what to ingest, and stop limiting the choices to nicotine and alcohol.
        • you both make smoking seem like a saintly thing to do, if you asked your friend to quit i bet you anything that he couldn't and purely because of addiction but i suppose religion is a good excuse, i know how narrow minded i must seem but i don't mean to offend.

          cannabis should be made legal and cocaine sould be moved into the class c section but some drugs are better kept illegal such as acid. If your not in a good frame of mind before you take it, it can really mess up your mind. My friend thought she was a potato and she was trying to peel off her skin with a potato peeler, we had to hold her down for hours until she eventually went to sleep. She had blood pouring down her arms and legs.
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        I quit on New Year's and haven't had much problem, aside from at first. I was really only smoking when I would drink by that time, but that was a deeply ingrained thing that was tough to stop. It seemed like the first few times I went out drinking in January, all I could think about was smoking and how I wasn't. By the end of the month, I was cool. I gave up the everyday pack-and-a-half or so thing a couple years ago, but it is possible and I've gone on to not think about smoking now, aside from realizing how much nicer it is to come home and not have that pile of smoky acrid clothing the next day.
        • I had no intention of glamourizing smoking tobacco, I simply wanted to point out some of it's roots and perhaps a more positive way to confront the addiction. Since I found that I would smoke more briefly after every time I've tried to quit because I was so hard on myself for starting to smoke again. Also, there is certainly a difference between a habit and an addiction. I've found that when I approach my nicotine use from a spiritual stand point, it's a habit that I can take or leave, and quitting doesn't seem that big of a deal since I can easily find other methods to achieve the same results of grounding my spirit but when I completely disregard the spiritual perspective of my tobacco use and value like a drug and an addiction that I "need" and must have to "feel better", regardless of how much I dislike it. When I was able to quit for 2 months straight cheerfully for the most part until the final days before I started up again I had taken this approach, I immediately noticed I smoked a hell of a lot less.

          Knowledge of the dangers and damage nicotine causes has never been helpful with my ability to quit. Instead I just feel bad, knowing that I'm increasing my chances of breast cancer, lung cancer, emphysema, COPD, aging my body, screwing up my blood sugar levels, etc etc. If self knowledge of the damage of nicotine as with any other drug could keep people off of it and/or make people quit, wouldn't there be almost no smokers or drug users? A lot of addiction is fueled by shame and guilt, trying to impede guilt upon the addict can sometimes have the opposite effect. Another problem that I found is that I had no support network. It's very hard to quit smoking tobacca when surrounded by smokers. Like alcohol it's easy to get, socially accepted in most places to some degree and a a popular social activity. During the time I successfully quit for two months cold turkey, the first couple of weeks I isolated and was literally learning how to socialize again. I realized that more then half the people I talked with, we would have our conversations outside while having ciggarettes. When I'd quit for a little bit of time, my friends would still talk to me but not as openly, and my social skills had certainly gone down.

          Hugs,

          Sincerely,
          Ariel Archaicflame

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