Tribe.net. Local Connections melbee http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#f436d767-4b31-484d-ad96-d91819bb2909 2005-07-14T18:34:29Z 2005-07-14T18:34:29Z

How did you get Earthlink to release your line? We have been trying to get our DSL line released from those bastards for almost 2 months now, and in the mean time have been suffering with dial up. They don't care, don't put the request in and then lie about it, or they are so stupid they don't even know what their job is or why they are there in the first place. Is there anyone I can write or call to get these guys to do their f*&king job? I am desperate. DSL Hostage, -Mel

melbee 2005-07-14T18:34:29Z Unsubscribed http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#25559a09-b6af-4ab8-ab13-5e1f197084a1 2004-10-05T01:52:26Z 2004-10-05T01:52:26Z

I agree that profit is something which is necessary in any business, but the outright greediness of many of these corporations is truly sickening. If you can meet payroll with a healthy profit, there is no reason to cut costs. Corporations should do everything in their power to keep their people; these folks are the ones who are buying the products and services, they keep America going. It amazes me whenever there's a hiccup in the economy, thousands of people are without work the next day. It's either greed or bad planning. A big corp should be able to meet payroll for several weeks if the economy takes a dive. Most of these companies have money, they just don't want to part with it.

Unsubscribed 2004-10-05T01:52:26Z Spaceman http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#28566641-3c24-4c54-a0f7-8c1ecfdad3b2 2004-10-05T00:04:10Z 2004-10-05T00:04:10Z

But with what accountability and with what ethics? There is none. It took employees to make a company work. It took sweat and thought from the employees. Once you've extracted what you can from an employee, tyou then shit-can him. With the unethical bastards I work for, they do everything in their power to be sure you don't get unemployment, because that costs them money. Check this out: convergys-outsources-jobs.blogspot.com.

Spaceman 2004-10-05T00:04:10Z $item.owner.firstName http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#05737428-5b21-403b-8d23-7776c9c579d5 2004-10-04T23:55:55Z 2004-10-04T23:55:55Z

not solely to take the side of big business but that is basically what a company should be doing. not the killing, crushing, maiming... the competition, but doing what they can to cut costs wherever they can. it sucks to have a job outsourced. it sucks to be laid off and see a company running with fewer people (then, fewer people have larger workloads, while others are laid off). but that makes perfect sense for a business to do this to save money. it's a tough situation and it really sucks to think about those people who have lost jobs for these reasons, but the companies are just trying to do what they feel they need to do.

$item.owner.firstName 2004-10-04T23:55:55Z Spaceman http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#ab8a71b1-3035-4639-bec6-9fc86100fd93 2004-10-04T20:48:23Z 2004-10-04T20:48:23Z

That's true, here in my callcenter we have India Indians, lots of Mexicans, and a Vietnamese guy all with fairly thick accents and they are all Americans. I'm proud of them and like them. It's this business about profit that drives me nuts. My wife runs a small business, we understand the need for profit. Profit is not a dirty word. Greed is. "Downsize This" by Michael Moore made the point clearly: How can companys justify huge layoffs while making huge profits??? It comes down to greed. An honest profit is just not freaking enough anymore. You have to kill, crush, maim and disfigure your opposition. Anything less than out-of-contol growth is retreat. The hamster wheel just has to spin faster and faster....

Spaceman 2004-10-04T20:48:23Z $item.owner.firstName http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#5112a778-5f67-4f25-9262-5d7689952f09 2004-10-04T20:02:40Z 2004-10-04T20:02:40Z

indian accent isn't surely a sign that the position has been outsourced, and that indians in the states are not working those positions. it's a lousy situation from the employee standpoint to have your job outsourced, but from a company point of view, it obviously makes very good sense to find cheaper labor since labor is such a high cost in business.

$item.owner.firstName 2004-10-04T20:02:40Z -> http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#bfea15b5-4380-43cb-8e1c-7e6bc026375f 2004-10-03T23:33:28Z 2004-10-03T23:33:28Z

If you have a Chase credit card or bank at all with Chase, shitcan them as well. They call my brother almost every other day. The person on the other end of the line always has a strong Indian accent. To me, it isn't doing anyone in the 3rd world countries any good either. They might jump at the job, but they will still have to deal with the poor labor regulations in the end. If I had any business with them, I'd've sent an angry letter by now.

-> 2004-10-03T23:33:28Z $item.owner.firstName http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#f90ad0c3-0a7a-41f4-933b-fb3621fdaf78 2004-10-03T09:30:19Z 2004-10-03T09:30:19Z

outsourcing is why i shitcanned earthlink. and i made sure they knew it.

$item.owner.firstName 2004-10-03T09:30:19Z Unsubscribed http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#5b13dc64-0ce0-433c-9d39-40e93eab66fa 2004-10-03T03:00:55Z 2004-10-03T03:00:55Z

gosh, that's terrible. It's happening everywhere, jobs are being outsourced and folks are hitting the unemployment line, if they can get it. :( I cannot fathom how someone owning a company can allow the employees to get cut just like that. It takes a stone cold person to do such a thing. I hope that something better comes along for you, 20k isn't a whole lot of money to live on, well I guess that depends on what part of these states you live. In Mi, it's not alot-you could maybe afford a decent apartment and a used car and still feed yourself, but forget the suv! That's why I like small institutions. May not ever make a whole lot of money, but the fact that the ceo sees your face every now and again and may know something about you may prevent you from standing in line for a meal at a soup kitchen, you know? This is just inhumane. And I seriously doubt Kerry would do anything to stop it. If he can say it's alright for a child to be dessimated, how can he really care about the troubles of the common folk.

Unsubscribed 2004-10-03T03:00:55Z Spaceman http://Josephmalloy.tribe.net/thread/60fa58da-338b-479f-b1d5-6f7d4df6aed8#618f4b9f-16e9-4330-9c8e-cae1ed4b103e 2004-10-03T00:19:34Z 2004-10-03T00:19:34Z

I wrote this for a blog, thought I'd post it here. Hmmm....where to flipping begin. I want to apologize up front, but I am posting this entry from a Convergys callcenter and I am in a foul mood. Convergys is outsourcing my job. At the end of Oct-2004 my job will be gone, kaput, forgotten about. I will be another campaign statistic expressed in a 5-second soundbite. My life will be effectively upended just so Convergys can claim a plus on it's balance sheet. Even though I'm voting for Kerry, I don't have any faith in his campaign promise to stop outsourcing. Outsourcing is a far bigger problem than the President of the United States. Kerry can't stop it, Congress can't stop it, the Courts can't stop it. It is another manifestation of out-of-control corporate greed. In todays uber-competitive world it is not enough to just earn a healthy profit, but you have to exceed expectations, you have to destroy your competition, you have to kick ass. Anything less is abject failure. You can probably guess where this is going. The out-of-control rush to inordinate profit is driving the out-sourcing gold rush. These huge, faceless, corporations are not answerable to anyone but their shareholders, and what do the shareholders want? Profits, profits, ever increasing profits. I personally think America is a country gone haywire. It is not enough to earn a decent living, have a decent house, have a decent car, raise a decent family. You now need a gas-guzzling SUV that gets 14mpg. You need a swimming pool, even though your part of the world is in the midst of a 10 year drought. You need more than 1200SF of home for just 2 people. It's not enough. You compete with your neighbors for the nicest lawn, even though the weed-killer is bad for the environment. The list goes on and on, and it comes back to one basic modern American trait, greed. Greed drives the whole process from top to bottom. We all want these things. I envy that jerk in his BMW, that ass with the pool, that smuck with the pretty yard. How do I get those signs of success? What tools do I have to have? What if you don't have them? But what if you're just an average Joe. A high school graduate with a bit of secondary school, but knows he's not quite smart enough to get a fullblown degree, or maybe he's trapped in a situation between feeding his family and going to school. But our Average Joe is lucky and manages to find work that pays a decent wage. He can now feed his family, afford a reliable car, live in a respectable home. Now what? He wants more, as is only natural. He wants a large TV and surround sound. He wants a computer. He wants that fancy dinette set he say on TV. But his decent wage is not paying enough to support these extras. He then has to leverage his future. He has to leverage his children's future. Things begin to get tight. Wal-mart becomes attractive. Great prices! But most of the products are not made in America. The employees barely make minimum wage and they have to work overtime to afford what Average Joe has. They mortgage their lives to their job, just so they can have. The Wal-Mart profits go overseas to Wal-Mart's suppliers and to a few honchos at the top of the Wal-Mart food chain. They may return some of the profits back to their shareholders, if they are feeling generous. Either way, if "goals" are met the CEO, CIO, CFO, and many other CxO's at the top of the heap get bonuses. The average Wal-Mart employee is happy to survive another week without getting fired. She doesn't get a bonus. But I digress, back to Average Joe. He does a respectable job at work. He's committed to his company because they have done right by him! His kids are fed and clothed. He has a surrround sound stereo system. His car gets him to and from work and looks nice. But there are clouds on the horizon. While browsing through the business section of his local newspaper is a small one paragraph item: "Two and half years after opening a massive call center in Federal Way, credit card issuer Capital One Financial Corp. has decided to close the center and cut 117 people from its payroll." His brows knit together. "Jeez, I work in a call center. Those poor guys. I'd hate that to happen to me". Months go by. The rumors start to flow. "Did you hear....they sent Bill to India to train....the callcenter in Maine is closing....we may be closing." Naturally this makes Average Joe nervous. What about his house? His car? His kids underfunded college fund? Average Joe is not prepared when the news finally comes. It's either find another job outside the company or find another job with the company, but either way you have to take a pay cut. Average Joe's town is not a great job market, and jobs paying as well as his current job are hard to find, unless you have those special qualifications that Average Joe just never did get. Average Joe is now facing a precipice, and none of his choices are easy. Move? Stay? Study? Sell the house? Cutout HBO? What to do? Joe is stuck, well and truly. He feels betrayed. He feels abandoned. Average Joe is scared. If he is lucky he will find a job that pays almost what he makes now. If he's really lucky he'll walk into a goldmine. Joe is scared. His company has set things up so he can't get unemployment because they offered him a sucker position at a loss of pay. Joe is scared. Joe has lost to forces completely outside of his control by people who don't care about his position. Joe has lost to the bean counters. Joes $20k a year position is being replaced by an unknown person in India making $5k a year with no benefits besides transportation to/from work. What about the Joe's company? The one that shed him like a dirty suit of clothes? They have saved over $20k a year on just Joe alone. What about the 100s of other Joes? Net savings to Joe's company is measured in the millions! Who gets those millions? Where does the money go? Is it returned to the stockholders? Hmmm...productivity bonus for the CEO? Who is impressed with these savings? Who benefits? Average Joe? The shareholders? Joe's mortgage company? Local gas station? I've seen claims that this savings to the company is somehow good for the economy. But I don't see it. The money that was once paid to Average Joe is now taken out of general circulation in the American economy. That means all the little things that Joe used to spend money on, like his utilities, the local grocery store, his comic book retailer. That money is gone. Instead it's in the hands of nameless institutions and ceo's. Joe is screwed, wealth has become more concentrated, and the local economy is deprived.

Spaceman 2004-10-03T00:19:34Z