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An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
By Tim, from "Get Rid of Bush"
Friends, it’s certainly not easy being a "pinko, commie, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal faggot." Between praying to my big, fat god, Michael Moore, siding with the terrorists, flip-flopping, and hating my country, I have very little time to search the internet for my liberal media news. However, today, I’ve decided to set aside some time to do just that.
But before I do, I’d first like to first address the Conservative war cry that the media is slanted towards liberals. As a former journalism student and on-air radio reporter, I have a pretty good idea about how the news is gathered and packaged. And it mostly involves a producer asking each reporter, "How can we turn this story against the Republican fat cats?"
All sarcasm aside, is this not the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of all? Are the right-wingers really so paranoid to think that the news industry as a whole has collectively banded against their side? Regardless, it certainly is a convenient excuse, as it allows Conservatives to simply dismiss all the news that challenges their beliefs day-in and day-out.
With that in mind, I’ve decided to compile a list of damning sites and stories that conservatives would rather people not see and read. Especially independent voters, who may not be so fast to employ a conspiracy theory in order to dismiss what they’re reading. I ask that you forward this onto your friends here on Myspace, and those off it as well, in hopes that as many undecided voters as possible may read these fascinating accounts:
On Flip-Flopping…
Yes, Karl Rove and his crew have done a wonderful job convincing the American public that John Kerry is a flip-flopper. Much in the same way they convinced over half of Americans that Saddam was involved in the September 11th attacks. Fact is, if you get enough talking heads saying one thing over and over again, people start to believe it. But, what about President Bush?
Read Me:
cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp
On the Economy…
We’ve all heard about the two million plus jobs lost, the increase in lower paying jobs, and the record federal deficits during the past four years. But what do you really know about the Bush Tax Cut? Who’s benefiting? And how much is it costing you and your state?
Read Me:
www.bushtax.com/
And what do the world’s greatest economists have to say about Bush’s economic policies?
Read Me:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818277/
On the War on Terror…
If you were to listen to Conservative talk radio, you’d believe John Kerry has no plan for the war on terror. Well, here it is, for all to read (I encourage you to read the rest of his site as well.)
Read Me:
www.johnkerry.com/issues/na..._security/
On Tribal Sovereignty…
Bush has very profound thoughts when it comes to Native American tribal sovereignty.
Listen here:
homepage.mac.com/njenson/m...ignty.html
On Freedom of Speech…
Does this seem the least bit fascist to anyone?
Read me:
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
On Reasons for the War in Iraq…
As the old saying goes, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And there’s an awful lot of smoke here…
Read Me:
www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13...cooper.php
www.cbsnews.com/stories/20...07356.shtml
msnbc.msn.com/id/3909150/
www.philly.com/mld/inquir...7784269.htm
On Swift Boats???
With all of the aforementioned important issues, we’ve been forced, by the liberal media no less, to listen to the swift boat??? A story put out by a bunch of conservative Swift boat veterans that didn’t even ride on the same boat as Kerry and who are funded by one of the largest Republican campaign donators in Texas??? Is this what’s important this election?? Or is it merely a distraction from the glaring weaknesses in the Bush record?
Finally, Some Respected Opinions…
Some nice opinion pieces, from Liberals and Conservatives alike, that just might interest you.
Read Me:
(Garrison Keiller) www.inthesetimes.com/site/ma...79/P120/
(Conservative Columnist Charley Reese) www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese74.html
(Kurt Vonnegut .1) www.inthesetimes.com/site/ma..._turkey/
(Kurt Vonnegut .2) portland.indymedia.org/en/200...9.shtml
(A speech by former Kennedy staffer Theodore Sorensen) www.wagingpeace.org/articles...-weep.htm
Please feel free to pass this on as you see fit
By Tim, from "Get Rid of Bush"
Friends, it’s certainly not easy being a "pinko, commie, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal faggot." Between praying to my big, fat god, Michael Moore, siding with the terrorists, flip-flopping, and hating my country, I have very little time to search the internet for my liberal media news. However, today, I’ve decided to set aside some time to do just that.
But before I do, I’d first like to first address the Conservative war cry that the media is slanted towards liberals. As a former journalism student and on-air radio reporter, I have a pretty good idea about how the news is gathered and packaged. And it mostly involves a producer asking each reporter, "How can we turn this story against the Republican fat cats?"
All sarcasm aside, is this not the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of all? Are the right-wingers really so paranoid to think that the news industry as a whole has collectively banded against their side? Regardless, it certainly is a convenient excuse, as it allows Conservatives to simply dismiss all the news that challenges their beliefs day-in and day-out.
With that in mind, I’ve decided to compile a list of damning sites and stories that conservatives would rather people not see and read. Especially independent voters, who may not be so fast to employ a conspiracy theory in order to dismiss what they’re reading. I ask that you forward this onto your friends here on Myspace, and those off it as well, in hopes that as many undecided voters as possible may read these fascinating accounts:
On Flip-Flopping…
Yes, Karl Rove and his crew have done a wonderful job convincing the American public that John Kerry is a flip-flopper. Much in the same way they convinced over half of Americans that Saddam was involved in the September 11th attacks. Fact is, if you get enough talking heads saying one thing over and over again, people start to believe it. But, what about President Bush?
Read Me:
cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp
On the Economy…
We’ve all heard about the two million plus jobs lost, the increase in lower paying jobs, and the record federal deficits during the past four years. But what do you really know about the Bush Tax Cut? Who’s benefiting? And how much is it costing you and your state?
Read Me:
www.bushtax.com/
And what do the world’s greatest economists have to say about Bush’s economic policies?
Read Me:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818277/
On the War on Terror…
If you were to listen to Conservative talk radio, you’d believe John Kerry has no plan for the war on terror. Well, here it is, for all to read (I encourage you to read the rest of his site as well.)
Read Me:
www.johnkerry.com/issues/na..._security/
On Tribal Sovereignty…
Bush has very profound thoughts when it comes to Native American tribal sovereignty.
Listen here:
homepage.mac.com/njenson/m...ignty.html
On Freedom of Speech…
Does this seem the least bit fascist to anyone?
Read me:
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
On Reasons for the War in Iraq…
As the old saying goes, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And there’s an awful lot of smoke here…
Read Me:
www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13...cooper.php
www.cbsnews.com/stories/20...07356.shtml
msnbc.msn.com/id/3909150/
www.philly.com/mld/inquir...7784269.htm
On Swift Boats???
With all of the aforementioned important issues, we’ve been forced, by the liberal media no less, to listen to the swift boat??? A story put out by a bunch of conservative Swift boat veterans that didn’t even ride on the same boat as Kerry and who are funded by one of the largest Republican campaign donators in Texas??? Is this what’s important this election?? Or is it merely a distraction from the glaring weaknesses in the Bush record?
Finally, Some Respected Opinions…
Some nice opinion pieces, from Liberals and Conservatives alike, that just might interest you.
Read Me:
(Garrison Keiller) www.inthesetimes.com/site/ma...79/P120/
(Conservative Columnist Charley Reese) www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese74.html
(Kurt Vonnegut .1) www.inthesetimes.com/site/ma..._turkey/
(Kurt Vonnegut .2) portland.indymedia.org/en/200...9.shtml
(A speech by former Kennedy staffer Theodore Sorensen) www.wagingpeace.org/articles...-weep.htm
Please feel free to pass this on as you see fit
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 14, 2004 - 8:23 PMvery interesting. good links.
i suggest that the liberals quit trolling and wise up. when undecided's like me surf bush vs. kerry or no george bush or any online chat, we encounter a wave of hatred, cluelessness and stupidity.
i suggest that the liberals take the concerns of the undecided's more seriously, quit simply comparing bush to satan, and instead address the issues at hand and the reasons why kerry is all that we need him to be, despite the fact that he's appeared wishy-washy over the years. in other words, stop emoting, start debating. with the intention to win over your audience, not make them hate you. if the liberals still understand the concepts of which i speak. and i seriously doubt any still do. it's sad, but the liberals on tribe have failed to convince me simply from a lack of serious effort. i'd like to vote, but i'm still undecided, and the tribe liberals just can't get their acts together to form an argument that doesn't involve flaming. i want to be persuaded, not burned at the stake.
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 14, 2004 - 8:48 PMIt's hard to have a serious debate when emotions are running so high. I am a liberal because I have never been rich enough to be a Republican. Plus I believe Jesus can be quoted as saying "the poor will always be with us" and having studied economics (just a little) I don't think that the right's theory of trickle-down economics has ever worked for the poorest sector. I have lived off of food stamps before and if you think that generous faith-based groups are going to pick up the slack when Bush and his group eliminate all social welfare programs, you are mistaken.
I will not vote for George Bush because he is not an independent thinker, he is a puppet of much larger, more nefarious insiders that have a secret agenda that they are scrambling to keep hidden from the American people. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and their ilk are making policy in America today, and if that's ok with you, by all means, vote for George Bush. But I got a question for you--are you REALLY better off now than you were four years ago. If the answer is yes, then I have no business asking you to make a change. But if you think that your quality of life (air quality,economic status, safety) is less than it was in 2000, then change is in the air!
I don't think Kerry is the BEST choice, but he is DIFFERENT, different enough that I will take a chance on an unknown rather than take what they are trying to sell me. Texas under Governor George Bush had consistently polluted air, polluted water and a failing social safety net. They also executed more criminals than any other state during that period.
I am not a retard. I am not retarded. I can use capital letters and punctuation.
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Wed, September 15, 2004 - 2:41 AMI don't know if I'm better off or not, but I don't base my vote on that anyway, though I realize many do. I don't live in the U.S. right now, and while I'm usually extremely progressive (I'm a registered Green) I don't know how comfortable I feel with John Kerry in terms of sticking by Israel. And my family and I live in a serious state of danger here. Don't bother to trash Israel, bc I won't read your post and I'll leave the tribe. If you are interested in defending Kerry's flip-flopping on the issue, respond. Otherwise, you're exactly like the others who failed to even attempt to persuade me. Which strikes me as retarded. Why are liberals so retarded today? It shames me for being a liberal. Think, use logic, and tailor your argument towards convincing the undecided voter. Me. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Wed, September 15, 2004 - 6:32 AMNot to sound simplistic, but if you're willing to leave a tribe simply because of a post you don't like, chances are you're not going to be exactly persuadable with regard to voting either. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Wed, September 15, 2004 - 9:45 AM"Think, use logic, and tailor your argument towards convincing the undecided voter. Me."
("but for God's sake don't question my unshakable belief that Israel has behaved perfectly, or I shall run away")
Admittedly, I know nothing of Kerry's voting record as it pertains to Israel (I'm a little more concerned about what's going on stateside). But on the issue of flip flopping, you might wish to read this [short, succint] article:
alternet.org/mediaculture/19800/
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Wed, September 15, 2004 - 11:00 AMWait a minute, you don't live in the US right now? Are you even eligible to vote? How does that work? I am ignorant of how expatriates exercise their right to vote. Please explain. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:26 AMamericans living abroad can vote absentee ballot. even if they have dual citizenship and also vote in their countries of residence.
i may leave a tribe without much provocation, but i will vote. and yes, as an undecided voter, i can be influenced in this. but perhaps i shouldn't have expected an intelligent argument for kerry here? -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:30 AMinteresting article, dave. but i do need to know that he won't suddenly decide to agree with europe and the u.n. on everything. george bush has been dependable when it comes to israel.
those of us living here have a right to be interested in our own safety, but i don't care to discuss that here. go to 'friends of israel' or 'palestine' or any number of other tribes for that conversation. and i'll join you there. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 3:48 PMDid you actually just say George Bush and dependable in the same sentence?? All GW's been is blood thirsty. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 7:18 PMPerhaps GW wearing Depends may be fitting perhaps:-)
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Mon, September 20, 2004 - 4:03 PMspastic, you seem extremely biased towards isreal. if you take a step back and look at the fact that bin laden funded 9/11 for the purpose of retaliating towards the united states for our participation in isreal against the palestineans, you might see why the average american voter might be less anxious to help your nation militarily. particularly since our attempts towards peaceful negotiation have repeatedly failed.
the war in isreal is not america's war. remember that.
i believe that the members of al quaeda are brainwashed and there is no way of convincing them to think alternatively about their priorities or motives. from what you've just said, spastic, it seems that you are of the same fixed type of reasoning. as an american who has the constitutional right to believe anything i want, it's difficult to logically sympathize with EITHER of the two unmovable parties.
as far as bush is concerned, i think if he stopped using the word "freedom" and replaced it with the word "rights", it would become more clear who the real terrorist in this deal is. ya know, maybe bush does mean well in his brainwashed (*clue*) neo-christian narrow-mindedness, but he is just a monkey wrench in our whole economic, ecological and geopolitical standing. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 6:43 AMfortunately you're wrong about the average voter. and therefore, ill-informed.
but i said i live here, don't want to debate israel in this forum, but would like to be convinced that i'm as safe here with kerry as with bush. guess you're just not interested in swaying the undecided voter. no surprise really. even though it's rather stupid of you. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 7:05 AMSpastic:
It's ironic that nearly all of your posts has contained the word "stupid" and/or "retard(ed)" with regard to anyone who doesn't agree with you. Very mature tactic. Seems you've already made your mind up, though, so you'd probably be best advised to go with your decision. No one here or anywhere else is going to change your mind, but it's not for lack of an intelligent argument.
And it's probably a mistake to lump yourself in with the typical undecided American voter (of which I am one). Often, someone who uses words like "stupid" or "retarded" to describe those whose ideas don't agree with their own is either lazy in their reasoning or narrow-minded to the point of rigidity. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 7:09 AMno, i'm still undecided. and yes, there is a lack of intelligent argument here.
i describe the logic of one claiming to be interested in swaying the undecided voter yet doing nothing to accomplish that end as stupid, not the person. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 9:08 AMIF YOU'RE UNDECIDED NOW, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 9:14 AMI should elaborate: soliciting advice on who to vote for is admirable, but the best thing you can do is bite the bullet and start doing your own research. Pay attention to the issues being discussed, watch the debates (starting in something like 9 days), examine the tactics of each side (look for defamation and mudslinging), etc.
Being an informed voter takes effort. But you'll be rewarded in your knowledge that you made your choice based on sound reasoning. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 9:16 AMand for your own sake, get your news from as many sources as possible (respected newspapers and NPR good, TV bad)
www.npr.org has streaming audio, BTW -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 11:49 AMnpr is anti-israel bs. i do read up on my own. but i'm less interested in what john kerry is saying now, while on the campaign trail, and more interested in his record.
your message, like the previous one, was indicative of the liberals in general. uninterested in swaying the undecided voters, or incapable, the democrats may lose again. now that IS stupidity. -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 12:05 PMwhy do you insist on still calling yourself undecided? -
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Re: An Internet Guide for the Undecided Voter
Tue, September 21, 2004 - 1:55 PM<<why do you insist on still calling yourself undecided?>>
Good point.
Also, I'd be interested to know how NPR is biased against Israel. But before that is interpeted as an anti-Israel statement, be aware that I'm not saying it is or isn't true. Just asking a question.
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