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OSAMA BIN LADEN ON TV (copied from my website Josephmalloy.bravehost.com)
So how long have I been saying it now...and what have I been saying...so put this in ur pipe n smoke it
The same thing Osama Bin Laden said to Al Jazeera television released Friday October 29, 2004.
Yes he's a self-confessed murderer and should be caught and sent to prison HOWEVER...
The first difference I notice between what he tells me and what the American Government tells me is that I BELIEVE what Osama Bin Laden tells me. All my life I haven't been able to believe a fucking word from my elected officials in government.
They don't themselves nor do they support the bombing of countries that don't make efforts to impose their personal beliefs on the Muslim owned and occupied lands. Proof is in modern history. It's on;y those and them that support America's quest to "conquer" the world by imposing our standards of measurement on other countries and cultures.
We're supposed to be the example makers for the world because we are one of the most technologically advanced and most diverse countries in the world--We should not be making an example of those that don't subscribe to our way of life.
If you think things are bad and "terrorized" now--just wait and see what the next generation of terrorists will have in store for our children.
For the sake of humanity (and the lack of greed for oil/money), and for the comfort of our children, we should get the hell out of where we're not wanted.
Imagine if any other nation landed in the United States of America and literallly took over the streets, the people, property, and the government--and justified itself by claiming we are unjustly "hurting" and "mistreating" and "punishing" and "imprisoning" our citizens, own people.
I'll leave it to your imagination as to what you, yourself would do defensively and offensively.
That's all they're doing. Nothing more, nothing less.
If they're fighting their own war amongst themselves and/or if their in mortal conflict with any other country, it's their business and not ours. The last thing we need to do right now is to throw ourselves in the middle of a lot of controversial conflict when we can't even adequately take care of our own citizens.
Osama Bin Laden is a leader of a nation protecting his interests (human beings and land) with what he sees as both a reaction to America's intervention and destruction, and as a "pre-emptive" offensive assaullt to deter future acts of our aggression. He is a leader of a simple belief system. Live and let live. Until you are attacked. Then there are no rules. But that's war! Right? That's also the first thing they teach you as the motto of self-defense or Karate lessons.
So I'm telling our Government and all Americans to leave them the fuck alone. If not...I'm gonna have a great time in life watching the worlds Middle Eastern inhabitants fuck the American Government real good. It's a great free source of entertainment for me. I love watching it unfold because it is extremely suspenseful and I almost can't wait to see what they will come up with next.
Hand in the cookie jar American Government's Administration??--Good, you'll get whats coming to you...
So how long have I been saying it now...and what have I been saying...so put this in ur pipe n smoke it
The same thing Osama Bin Laden said to Al Jazeera television released Friday October 29, 2004.
Yes he's a self-confessed murderer and should be caught and sent to prison HOWEVER...
The first difference I notice between what he tells me and what the American Government tells me is that I BELIEVE what Osama Bin Laden tells me. All my life I haven't been able to believe a fucking word from my elected officials in government.
They don't themselves nor do they support the bombing of countries that don't make efforts to impose their personal beliefs on the Muslim owned and occupied lands. Proof is in modern history. It's on;y those and them that support America's quest to "conquer" the world by imposing our standards of measurement on other countries and cultures.
We're supposed to be the example makers for the world because we are one of the most technologically advanced and most diverse countries in the world--We should not be making an example of those that don't subscribe to our way of life.
If you think things are bad and "terrorized" now--just wait and see what the next generation of terrorists will have in store for our children.
For the sake of humanity (and the lack of greed for oil/money), and for the comfort of our children, we should get the hell out of where we're not wanted.
Imagine if any other nation landed in the United States of America and literallly took over the streets, the people, property, and the government--and justified itself by claiming we are unjustly "hurting" and "mistreating" and "punishing" and "imprisoning" our citizens, own people.
I'll leave it to your imagination as to what you, yourself would do defensively and offensively.
That's all they're doing. Nothing more, nothing less.
If they're fighting their own war amongst themselves and/or if their in mortal conflict with any other country, it's their business and not ours. The last thing we need to do right now is to throw ourselves in the middle of a lot of controversial conflict when we can't even adequately take care of our own citizens.
Osama Bin Laden is a leader of a nation protecting his interests (human beings and land) with what he sees as both a reaction to America's intervention and destruction, and as a "pre-emptive" offensive assaullt to deter future acts of our aggression. He is a leader of a simple belief system. Live and let live. Until you are attacked. Then there are no rules. But that's war! Right? That's also the first thing they teach you as the motto of self-defense or Karate lessons.
So I'm telling our Government and all Americans to leave them the fuck alone. If not...I'm gonna have a great time in life watching the worlds Middle Eastern inhabitants fuck the American Government real good. It's a great free source of entertainment for me. I love watching it unfold because it is extremely suspenseful and I almost can't wait to see what they will come up with next.
Hand in the cookie jar American Government's Administration??--Good, you'll get whats coming to you...
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Re: OSAMA ON TV
Sat, October 30, 2004 - 8:19 PMI have to say I did find it very interesting what Osama said but I believe him as much as I believe our government. He also has lots of spin masters for him and he is not a fool by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this is a calculated speech to sin americans over but let us not forget that he did mastermind the killing of some 3000 people who have little to nothing to do with what the administration (past and present) are doing abroad.
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 8:23 PMi've been at work and didn't hear, i only heard that there was a tv clip from al jazeera or somewhere of bin laden. what did he say or a summary of what he was saying? -
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 8:30 PMCopied from Yahoo News:
Here is a transcript of those excerpts broadcast by al-Jazeera:
Bin Laden spoke directly to camera
Oh American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its causes, and results.
Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.
Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have proud souls, like the souls of the 19 people [killed while perpetrating the 11 September 2001 attacks], may God have mercy on them.
We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice. We want to restore freedom to our nation. Just as you waste our security, we will waste your security.
'Striking the towers'
I am amazed at you. Although almost four years have passed since the [11 September] incidents, Bush is still practising distortion and confusion.
He also continues to conceal from you the real reason [for the 11 September attacks]. Thus, the motives still exist for repeating what happened.
I will speak to you about the reasons behind these incidents. I will honestly tell you about the minutes in which the decision was made so that you will consider. I say to you that God knows that the idea of striking the towers never occurred to us.
Your security is in your own hands
But, after things had gone too far and we saw the injustice of the US-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I started thinking of that.
The events that influenced me directly trace back to 1982 and subsequent events when the United States gave permission to the Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the aid of the sixth US fleet.
At those difficult moments, many meanings that are hard to describe went on in my mind. However, these meanings produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and generated a strong determination to punish the unjust ones.
While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women...
We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries, half of which are governed by the military and the other half of which are governed by the sons of kings and presidents; and we have a long experience with them.
In both categories, you find many who are characterised by hubris, arrogance, greed, and unlawful acquisition of money. This similarity transpired since Bush Senior's visit to the region.
'Election rigging'
While some of our people were dazzled by the United States and hoped that these visits would affect our countries, he, instead, was affected by these royal and military regimes, envying them for remaining in their posts for scores of years, embezzling public money without being held accountable or monitored.
Accordingly, he transferred dictatorship and the repression of freedoms to his son by introducing the Patriot Act under the pretext of fighting terrorism.
Bush Senior deemed it appropriate to assign his sons to states. He also did not forget to convey the [election] rigging experience from the leaders of the [Arab] region to Florida to benefit from it at critical times...
We had agreed with the chief amir [leader - of the 11 September hijackers] Mohammed Atta that he should accomplish all the operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration could take notice.
It never occurred to us that the supreme commander of the US armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face those great horrors alone, at a time when they needed him badly.
This is because it seemed to him that being preoccupied with the little child's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than being preoccupied with the planes and their ramming into the skyscrapers.
This gave with three times the period required for carrying out the operations, praise be to God.
Your security does not lie in the hands of Kerry, Bush, or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security. -
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:00 PMI don't trust any of these motherfuckers.
sure the government didn't crash a plane into my building but they'll throw me in prison to get (probably) raped and (possibly) killed if I'm caught "committing" a victimless felony.
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:13 PMWell depending on what you are meaning by "victim less crime" I still would say that all you said doesn't match up to anything Osama is capable of. Me being in jail is one person vs. 3000+. As much as I do look at myself as important and not wanting to go thru all you have said I cannot say that I am worth all those who died in the WTC and I would gladly (as I know many would) have given the sacrifice to change things. -
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:22 PMthat's you and me.
multiply that by every single citizen in the united states.
play the straight and narrow or we send you off to gladiator school. have fun kids!
I have no love for bin laden, but if I were to look up the number of people incarcerated in this country for crimes that didn't involve violence or theft, it would add up to a whole lot more than 3,000. -
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:35 PMThen make an effort to change the laws. Still what do you mean by crimes not involving theft or violence?
Drug use, prostitution....what else? As someone who wasw heavily invloved in drug distribution in the past I can tell you there is no such thing as non violent drug use.....somewhere down the line from creation to distrabution there is violence. Make it legal and it will go away you may say. Not necesarrily because if you look at cigerettes and the underground trade of them it is also a very violent area.
Grow pot yourself...well that I can see but I also know friends who have done so and had their place broekn into so often that they stopped and now buy it off the streets.
Now don't get me wrong either I do believe we should legalize many many things that are now under idiotic laws but it jsut isn't a simple "victim vs. victimless" crime.
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:36 PMPlus you can't multiply it by every citizen as there are many (conservatives) who do live the straight and narrow because they choose to. -
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Sat, October 30, 2004 - 9:51 PM"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
conservatives can live the way they like; it shouldn't affect my living options. with this election looming, it has me extremely pessimistic. our government is dirty to the rest of the world and to it's own people. as I see privacy lost, patriot acts instated, and a two party system that's clearly not good enough, I worry a lot more about the government than I do about foreign terrorists. the american public didn't deserve a 9/11 but with the government's foreign policy it was inevitable.
I know more than a couple of young parents who are afraid to raise their children in this country; I would be too.
do I have an answer? no, I don't. but that doesn't mean I should have to settle for whatever big brother wants to spoonfeed me.
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Sun, October 31, 2004 - 11:32 AMSaul,
Really, you are usually so sensible. Trust me, you will not get raped or murdered in prison - it sounds like your planning a visit though. Why the concern? You really have to want to be raped to be raped in a California prison these days, and as to being killed, just follow the rules - you'll know what I mean. Relax.
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 12:32 AMya know, you don't have to be liberal to have a problem with the policies on the bush administration. -
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 12:42 AMI think the liberal/conservative, democrat/republican duality is part of the bigger problem. I have problems with both parties' official lines. -
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 5:14 AMThe two major parties today (Demo and Rep) are nothing but parodies of what they once believed. They are truely more alike then they are different but for the public and theyir constituants sake they must keep up appearances.
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 8:10 PMWow, I don't know where this thread went to, but I agree with our lovely moderator on this on. Osama is a bastard, but I can't say he's a liar and I can't say that I could never relate. I have always been able to put myself in another's proverbial shoes, and I think what he did was reasonable from his standpoint. I am not a fan and I hate the fact that our people have had to die to see the point, but the point has been made and our government has thrown a wet blanket over it like it was a small fire out of conrol. This is no small fire that our government should no longer be allowed to hide. Our government is out of conrol at home and abroad with abuses of human rights and bad policy. Osama is right to say that our government intervention in foreign affairs is the cause for the attacks. We need to come home and save our own system rather than disturb those abroad.
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 8:12 PMthat's pretty much my take, but I was having a bad day. :) -
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Mon, November 1, 2004 - 8:26 PMBeing the Libertarian that I am I do think we need to get out of everyone elses buisness and take care of home first and formost and when (and only when) there is a clear and present danger to our people or our borders then do we act ( and I do mean something like Pearl Harbor or the WTC). We did right going after Osama but Iraq was a huge huge mistake.
DOn't waste your vote......Vote Libertarian
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 1:53 PMI think we ALL miss the point.
Bush is every bit as much of a "murderer" as Osama Bin Laden.
How many deaths of Iraqi, Afghani, Lebanese, and Palistenian men, women, and children is the United States directly or indirectly responsible for?
Far more than those that died on Sept 11th.
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 2:04 PMSure they are but so are alot more cultures then just the middle easterners. I am Serbian and I have family and friends in the former Yugoslavia and there were many many lives lost by the bombings in Serbia and Kosovo (on both sides) but you don't see the terrorist attacks coming from there (or Somalia and others we have trated wrongly).
You can say most all the past adminitrations have been murders greater then Osama so I just don't see what the point is. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagon, and keep going back it is all the same.
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 3:10 PMThe war in kosovo was a united nations effort to end a genocide.
It is not the same as how we have conducted our foriegn policy towards countries in the middle east.
The two scenarios are not comparable.
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 3:12 PMI'm gonna have to go with Dragi on this one...
>>You can say most all the past adminitrations have been murders greater then Osama so I just don't see what the point is. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagon, and keep going back it is all the same.
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 3:28 PMI didnt disagree with him on that point.
Its just that when i take an objective veiwpoint - i find it humorous that the perception is that osama bin laden is the most vile human who ever lived but no one in this country seems to recognize that our leaders have much more innocent blood on their hands. -
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 3:30 PMdid you read my earlier posts?
>>our government is dirty to the rest of the world and to it's own people. as I see privacy lost, patriot acts instated, and a two party system that's clearly not good enough, I worry a lot more about the government than I do about foreign terrorists. the american public didn't deserve a 9/11 but with the government's foreign policy it was inevitable.
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Tue, November 2, 2004 - 5:38 PMOK then show me the genocide in Kosovo. What is the final body count and from which sides ar eall these bodies from?
77 Billion spent on that war and no one says anything. Haliburtin gets ALL the contracts thru Clintons administration to rebuild and no one says anything. The body count is NORMAL for a 7 year war that was fought (accdording to the french forensic team who left early becausee they could find no evidence of genocide) and no one says anything.
Maybe there are more simalarities then one might see on the surface.
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